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Can't believe I missed this is for the Sorento!!! - See post 12 below

Not sure if this has been posted before. Just happened to run across a youtube install video for the new K&N intake for the K5 GT w 2.5T engine:

2021-2022 Kia/Hyundai Smartstream 2.5L turbo K&N Typhoon Intake system install - YouTube

Performance Air Intake System (knfilters.com)

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I know someone's going to say something about under-hood heat - remember, the intake air from the filter is further heated by the turbocharger and then cooled by the intercooler.
 

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Way to expensive for an intake. I'd wait for the sxth I take instead.
Sign of the times... Everythings more expensive! $2K for an aftermarket exhaust!!! I remember paying $110 for a complete custom true-dual manifold-to-tips exhaust! Nostalgia...LOL!
 

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unless it is a system that pulls air from outside the engine compartment is not a cold air intake and not worth any amount of money.
Funny thing about this argument...back in the 60s and 70s many musclecars came with neat cold air systems with hood scoops...and every owner that took their musclecar to the dragstrip would take off that Cool air system, toss it on a pile, and install a open 360 degree filter on top of their carburetor. AND their muscle cars ran the fastest times that way. Getting more air into the engine was more important then the "underhood" air temp (rushing air into the engine compartment keeps the temps down)..

Turbocharged engines with intercoolers aren't as affected by "underhood air" because the intake air is cooled to nearly ambient temps by the intercooler - regardless of what the air temp is going in.

K&N claims 16 HP. If it's 10 HP then a K&N equipped GT will beat a non-K&N GT by a car-length in a 1/4 mile. Is it worth 500usd? It is if you want bragging rights...LOL!
 

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first small engine turbo vehicle. Did not know about the innercooler thing. Will research. I know in the V8 cars in the past, the K&N intakes were garbage compared to a true CAI.
An interesting fact came out when a Forte GT 1.6T owner complained that his Intake Air Temperature (IAT) was extremely high compared to his Ford Mustang with the 2.3L turbocharged engine...and he was correct. The IAT of his Ford was practically the same as ambient while the Forte reads about 30 degrees higher - and when stopped the IAT climbs until you start driving again. Why the difference? Because the difference is comparing apples to pineapples...

The IAT sensor on the Ford (and most cars) is in the Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor LOCATED next to the filter box. It reads the air temperature of the outside air entering the filter.
The IAT sensor on our Kias is located in the Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor LOCATED on/in the intake manifold. It reads the air temperature of the air the engine is ACTUALLY ingesting.

So why is it higher? 4 reasons:
1. Heat soak. The intake manifold (IM) is bolted to the cylinder head. The IM becomes heated and the air inside is heated up as well.
2. PCV heat. 30% of idle air is from the PCV system. The PCV air is superheated internal engine fumes.
3. Coolant heated throttle body. The throttle body is heated by engine coolant and this warms the incoming air as well.
4. The turbocharger heats the incoming air as does the act of compressing the air (no way to avoid this).
The Ford IAT readings are oblivious to the ACTUAL engine-ingested air.

Do you know about the 86-87 Buick Grand Nationals? They were extremely quick cars with a turbocharged 3.8L V6 engine and are listed as some of the fastest American cars made. What's interesting is no one remembers the 84-85 Buick Regals with the same turbocharged 3.8L V6...WHY? The 86-87 Buicks had an intercooler - the 84-85 Buicks didn't. Made a BIG difference!

The intercooler does a surprisingly good job of cooling the intake air. Without the intercooler modern turbocharged engines would NOT make the power they do.

My point is that regardless of the temperature of the air BEFORE the turbocharger, the air from the filter is heated significantly more by the turbocharger and then is cooled by the intercooler to near ambient air temperature. Getting more air into the engine will increase performance.
 

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The Buick GN/GNX is my all time favorite American muscle car. Loved it since 87.
And yes, the 86-87 made more power the than the 85 simple because it got an intercooler. Simple bolt ons gets thise things into the hugh 10s low 11s easy.
 

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Updated information:

Just want everyone to be aware:

The 2.5T uses a Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor to control fuel.
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The 1.6T uses a Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor to control fuel.
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What sucks (pun intended) is that you can't replace the MAF sensor, even with an aftermarket intake, and the air has to go through this:
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What I find odd is that the 1.6T in the Forte GT uses a MAP - not a MAF !?!?
 

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Can't believe I missed this is for the Sorento!!! - See post 12 below

Not sure if this has been posted before. Just happened to run across a youtube install video for the new K&N intake for the K5 GT w 2.5T engine:

2021-2022 Kia/Hyundai Smartstream 2.5L turbo K&N Typhoon Intake system install - YouTube

Performance Air Intake System (knfilters.com)

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I know someone's going to say something about under-hood heat - remember, the intake air from the filter is further heated by the turbocharger and then cooled by the intercooler.
Did you install one on your K5? Considering one for mine
 

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Did you install one on your K5? Considering one for mine
I had sent an e-mail to K&N hoping for some feedback. Never heard back from them. The only thing I can see that could be a problem is the intake tube from above the radiator to the filter box - don't want it banging around (the Sorento uses a shorter tube here). Still on the fence to try it...:)
 

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the product page does not show as fitting the k5 with the 2.5T, only the other Kia/Hyundai vehicles wit the 2.5T.
True. However, the filter box and the tube the K&N intake replaces are the exact same on the K5 2.5T and the Sorento 2.5T. The only foreseeable problem is nowhere to lay the intake tube from the radiator support to the air box. The Sorento's inlet tube is positioned right in front of the air filter box over the intercooler while our inlet tube is positioned over the radiator roughly 2 feet away.

I did talk to Customer Service at K&N today. K&N has not been able to get a K5 GT to test - and has no production plans to test the K5 GT in the near future. Of course, there is a K&N intake for the 1.6T - completely different set up.
 

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Did you install one on your K5? Considering one for mine
After realizing the 1.6T uses the same inlet tube and the hood secures that tube I have ordered a K&N 69-5328TC intake for the Sorento 2.5T and will be installing it in my K5 GT. Stay tuned...:)
 

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True. However, the filter box and the tube the K&N intake replaces are the exact same on the K5 2.5T and the Sorento 2.5T. The only foreseeable problem is nowhere to lay the intake tube from the radiator support to the air box. The Sorento's inlet tube is positioned right in front of the air filter box over the intercooler while our inlet tube is positioned over the radiator roughly 2 feet away.

I did talk to Customer Service at K&N today. K&N has not been able to get a K5 GT to test - and has no production plans to test the K5 GT in the near future. Of course, there is a K&N intake for the 1.6T - completely different set up.
The thing with this is, if there is a warranty question in regards to anything potentially involving the intake of air, you would be at a huge disadvantage in winning if you install something the manufacturer does not list as for the car you installed it on. I would be willing to bet you lose that battle.
 
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